Chapter 10 Page 61
02 Oct 2015 02:56 pm
H0lyhandgrenade, 02 Oct 2015 01:08 pm
So, I don't usually like to do this, but I felt I ought to address a common theme in comments I've been getting lately, considering the ah... Dislike for Kirst and Laika. Yes, I AM aware that what they've doing hasn't been pleasant. I'm just going to say, stick with it, and if you still end up being unhappy, well, there's always next chapter. I'll admit I must have misjudged; I didn't expect people to love them or anything, but I didn't expect such intense hatred and unhappiness over a character being a jerk. The more you write the more you learn.
Reply Visitor (Guest), 02 Oct 2015 02:58 pm
Might want to let go, DT.
Eh, they're just over-reacting h0ly. I honestly don't know why. I mean, come on, Thad and Trix didn't get nearly as much hate, and they pulled a gun on Atticus. I don't think "being a jerk" is worse than "nearly murdering the main character".
Reply Realdream (Guest), 02 Oct 2015 03:08 pm
@Guest:This guys right h0ly, most people are just over-reacting. I myself am actually looking forward to see how this turns out.
Yes, the beginning of his cunning plan!
Reply anon (Guest), 02 Oct 2015 03:20 pm
I think the difference is that you kind of expect Team Rocket to be jackasses, but in this it seems like they're bullying someone for something that's kind of expected for a trainer to do when he encounters a gym leader.
Reply quinn (Guest), 02 Oct 2015 03:24 pm
I actually find them pleasantly distasteful. As long they don't lower the quality of the story, I think they make good adversaries. And I'm really curious to see how Atty responds to a jerkface who has him completely and utterly outgunned.
Reply Phoena (Guest), 02 Oct 2015 03:45 pm
I find Kirst somewhat obnoxious with all his assumptions about Atticus, but I don't think he's a bad guy. As for Laika, I've been intrigued by her character since she first showed up in Rumplestiltskin. She seems pretty cool.
Reply BattleStarX, 02 Oct 2015 03:52 pm
That last panel is by far too funny. I can imagine everyone in the room being dead silent with little ellipses over their heads.
Reply CrowWingedAngel, 02 Oct 2015 03:58 pm
What's Dragonthing doing?
Reply Unnessecary (Guest), 02 Oct 2015 04:14 pm
I don't like them not because they are assholes, but because their not very funny and are self righteous assholes. The fact that they are so smugly sure Atticus is doing something wrong when he isn't, against the protests of the kid they say they are defending, and are insulting him while attempting to beat him into the dust just makes them unlikable.
Reply Armaturkey, 02 Oct 2015 04:29 pm
Hey... sometimes those characters just...exist. The fact that they are garnering that kind of a reaction has to be a success considering they were meant to be disliked.
Reply PotatoNinja (Guest), 02 Oct 2015 04:39 pm
These are your characters, you're free to do with them and give them traits as you see fit. If some don't like it, just kinda sucks for them if they're letting a few characters spoil the whole bloody thing for em.
Reply Mr. Man (Guest), 02 Oct 2015 04:40 pm
Write what you like, it's been working well so far.
Don't worry H0ly, people do love them, as villains that is.
Reply Justme (Guest), 02 Oct 2015 05:03 pm
Honestly, I LIKE Laika. She's the hottest female character you've put in yet. And to be honest, I feel that you have her acting realistically. These trainers are all here on vacation and here comes an upstart looking to pick on a younger trainer for an easy victory? As for Kirst... yes, he's being a bit of an a-hole, but he's still acting realistically. You can tell it's in his character... who the hell dresses like that and acts POLITE all the time? If anything, these people would be acting even MORE severe if they knew the background that we know about Atty. Those that are complaining just aren't thinking or are looking for everyone in the comic to be "Oh, you're the main character? Okay, you're the coolest guy ever and we bow before your excellence."
Reply Sagan (Guest), 02 Oct 2015 05:09 pm
They've got a bullying streak to them, but honestly, Atty's far from squeaky clean either. I still haven't forgotten his indifferent attitude towards DT or his needlessly blunt goodbye thrown at George
Reply Krazehhcakes, 02 Oct 2015 05:11 pm
@Unnessecary: Atty was going to battle an underage gym leader ((labor laws)) on vacation simply due to type advantage.
Reply Caio (Guest), 02 Oct 2015 05:41 pm
I don't think Laika is a jerk. That's new to me. Cold maybe, but not a jerk.
Reply Riverfox237 (Guest), 02 Oct 2015 05:47 pm
In case it helps, at worst, I think Kirst is irritating, and Laika seems like she could be cool without the misconceptions.
I think part of the reason they are so hated is because, since the release speed is so slow compared to how long the actual event would last, we're subjected to these jerks being jerks for a very long time, and every time we seem them, they're still being jerks! So there's nothing to redeem them, but the abuse seems to pile up.
Reply Sebastian (Guest), 02 Oct 2015 05:52 pm
@Justme: I agree wholehertedly. Personally I never cared for the fact that all of the gym leaders were happy, amicable people to every cocky little asshole kid who challenged them. You characters seem like real human beings. I like Kirst and Laika a lot. This is your story. If people don't like the way you're writing it, they don't have to read it. *shrug*
I didn't think there was an issue, but keep it up I like this chapter. Frankly Atty has done far worse and said far worse, so it's not like he doesn't deserve this treatment. He also is technically getting what he asked for
Reply Rob Carlson (Guest), 02 Oct 2015 06:21 pm
Oh my god, I LOVE this page. Dragonthing actually had me fooled for a moment. xD
Reply King (Guest), 02 Oct 2015 06:21 pm
Pls don't pls don't make any changes because people commenting. Vocal minority and all that.
Reply Emma (Guest), 02 Oct 2015 07:00 pm
My issue is her blatant hypocrisy. Atty was a "bully" for daring to challenge the young grass gym leader (assuming that wasn't a pretense.)and she frog marches him into a big public fight and whips out a motherloving charizard. Frankly I have no idea how you could make what she's doing ok (I assume it's supposed to be some lesson)
Reply joanne kaye, 02 Oct 2015 07:42 pm
Well it isn't as though they aren't doing what pretty much everyone who plays the games does- I mean really, the only time I HAVEN'T seen someone over-level in order to beat up all the everything was when someone was playing with rules against it (typically a Nuzlocke).
Reply worst trainer (Guest), 02 Oct 2015 08:25 pm
wuhtttt... i really like these characters tbh. xD
Reply Nyzer (Guest), 02 Oct 2015 08:48 pm
... Huh? I don't get why they're hated. They're not terribly nice people, but they're teaching some overconfident party crasher who honed in on Luke a lesson, or at least that's how they seem to see it.
Reply Evilbob_dA, 02 Oct 2015 09:02 pm
Reply varsaigen (Guest), 02 Oct 2015 09:07 pm
Can you imagine how boring stories would be if everyone got along? Stories (especially those with drama in it), NEED characters that are jerks. Consider them antagonists, whether major or minor in role. They provide strife and conflict for the protagonist to overcome.
Is it wrong for me to think it's cute that D.T. is biting Blaize tail in the last panel.
Wish Bite was more effective there DT...
I don't think you should worry about any hatred they're getting. Good stories need jerks, they keep things interesting.
Reply Myou (Guest), 02 Oct 2015 10:34 pm
I actually don't have much of an issue with Laika. Kirst is the one that grinds my gears, mostly because hypocrisy is a pet peeve of mine and he's wallowing in it. As others said, I hold a gym leader to a higher standard than Joe Shmoe or Team Rocket. It's part of their job to accept any challenge, so the bullying seems petty and unnecessary to me.
LMAO that Charizard is like "Whut...really?"
Reply SVM (Guest), 03 Oct 2015 12:55 am
It's 'cause the gym leaders are being petty jerks over nothing. Like, gasp, a trainer challenged a gym leader. Woop-di-doo.
Reply PercussionFish (Guest), 03 Oct 2015 01:10 am
After going back and re-reading the interactions leading up to this point, I can see why there has been so much negativity directed towards Kirst and Laika. Kirst is being completely unreasonable and Laika is acting as the main antagonist at this point.
I don't mind Laika and Kirst, myself. I think they're actually rather interesting characters. They might seem more intense since we're seeing this story through Atty's perspective and neither seem to particularly like him.
The mystery punner strikes again!
Would chew believe it?
For what it's worth, I really like Kirst and I thought his cape swoosh/ tray holding pose was brilliant and one of the funniest parts of the entire comic so far.
I don't hate them at all, they feel very realistic to me. Atty just comes in and tries to ruin their vacation in a way, trying to pick on what he views as a weaker gym leader, so they want to stand up for their colleague and put him in his place.
Blaize be like "srsly?"
Reply Nascent Opinion (Guest), 03 Oct 2015 03:58 am
While I have to agree with many of the comments above, governing as to why those two would receive a poor reputation; all we have seen is them on a bad day. One acting like an enforcer and the other just shy of a cartoon villain.
I want to be the very best
Reply Danny (Guest), 03 Oct 2015 07:58 am
I don't mind, I get why they're pissy anyway, it's their holiday and some guy's crashed their party wanting a fight
Reply disastermaster, 03 Oct 2015 08:26 am
I don't dislike Laika, Kirst yes but not Laika I mean she hasn't done anything wrong...
Reply Unnessecary (Guest), 03 Oct 2015 08:42 am
@Krazehhcakes: Looking back at the comic where Atty challenged Luke, he was for the most part polite (as polite as Atty gets anyway) when challenging Luke and Luke's reaction was basically, "Sure, we can have a battle, but I need to check the rules first."
Reply Krazehhcakes, 03 Oct 2015 09:13 am
@Unnessecary: Mmm... i'll refrain from spoilers but there's reasons to these character's behaviors. And if being hypocritical is a huge turn off to you, there's plenty of hypocritical behaviors that Atty has displayed as well. You barely got to know Laika and Kirst so they may/may not develop more than Atty.
Reply HaikenEdge, 03 Oct 2015 09:24 am
Both characters seem very one-note. One's a hypocritical bully, the other is meathead.
@El Zoof: Replace "Or at least I want to try" with "Or at least better than that guy."
Reply Ulfhade (Guest), 03 Oct 2015 10:12 am
To throw in my two pokedollars:
Reply Lanval (Guest), 03 Oct 2015 10:24 am
Popping out from my Lurking to comment on reaction to Kirst and Laika. I see that the comment thread has already moved to defend them, which is good. Personally, I like them and I think it's good to see Atty kicked around and humbled a bit by superior trainers.
Reply marowakmaniac (Guest), 03 Oct 2015 10:40 am
You make realistic characters. that's why I tterly ABHOR these. because these are realistic, and I've met people like this in real life, and I abhor them as well. So it proves you're a good writer because you made them just like real people, but I can't wait to see them gone because I can't wait to get away from people like them IRL too. but hey, I can say the same about Professor Umbridge in Harry potter,
Reply Raichu (Guest), 03 Oct 2015 10:54 am
Laika is ok. I just hate Kirst. I want Dragonthing beating his Dratinis.
Reply SunBro (Guest), 03 Oct 2015 12:27 pm
I love the alt text reference to Dark Souls. Been playing it obsessively for a week or 2 now.
Personally I dislike both Laika and Kirst - not as characters, but as people.
Reply Tallest Skil, 03 Oct 2015 01:30 pm
I can't believe people already hate the characters, I like Laika myself.
Reply Ash927 (Guest), 03 Oct 2015 02:24 pm
Wait what? I love both of those characters.
Reply Atros (Guest), 03 Oct 2015 02:35 pm
Just weighing in because of the author comment, don't tend to read all the comments; I like both characters; I dislike Kirst as a person, but he's the Righteous type, he's still fun to read about if not be around. I don't really know enough about Laika to judge as a person; I mean, Atticus did sortof stroll up to them on their vacation and challenge their weakest member to a battle. If I was on a company picnic and someone came by to throw some work on my secretary I'd be looking to ruin their fuckin' day too.
Just another case of loud minority. This arc is great. Laika comes off as defending her naive sprout friend and Kirst is annoying, but not to any great extent.
Reply Luxnight (Guest), 03 Oct 2015 03:36 pm
I don't see why people are having an issue with Kirst and Laika. Kirst felt Atty was being an unfair, smug little shit by picking on someone younger that he would have an advantage against. Not only that, but challenging the kid on their off time. I would be incredibly offended and uppity if some little crap trainer pulled that on my downtime and would have no problem trashing their team (and kicking them into the ocean after.)
Reply Me (Guest), 03 Oct 2015 06:01 pm
I don't hate them I think there's just a polling bias. The only people who're going to comment on characters are the ones who care strongly one way or another. If the commenter doesn't have strong feelings, they will not comment.
Reply Unnessecary (Guest), 03 Oct 2015 06:09 pm
@Krazehhcakes: It's entirely possible for them to be completely awesome characters later, but as of this page, I feel I have no reason to care for them. It's not that I hate them, it's that I find them kind of annoying. I can only talk about what I have seen so far, and what I have seen of them I don't care for.
Reply Deuswyvern (Guest), 03 Oct 2015 09:22 pm
They honestly never bothered me. I like them both. Frankly I get the impression that Luke is the sort of kid that always defends his bullies, they just picked the wrong time to put their foot down.
I havent been reading the comments, but how is it Kirst and Laika end up the bad guys here? Atticus went to a vacation cruise with a stolen ticket and tried to make a gym leader work on his time off and ended up getting that to happen. If anyone walked up to you while you were standing in your job but you weren't on the clock you'd be pissed off, too.
To be honest, I kinda like them. To me they seem like jerks, but on the inside are not; just that they have been though a lot of crap.
Reply PrimevalDragon (Guest), 03 Oct 2015 10:57 pm
To tell the truth, I love them. Not every character can or should be lovable. You need jerks in opposition to other characters to highlight the good qualities. Keep up the awesome writing. I can't wait to see how the battle ends.
Reply Halosty (Guest), 03 Oct 2015 11:51 pm
@Unnessecary: Yeah but forcing a gym leader, who is in the gym, to do their job and fight you, is just getting them to uphold their civic duty. Gyms are official battling places, so it's not hypocritical to expect the gymleader to fight you when you don't want other people to randomly challenge you.
Have not read the comments... but I'd just like to say that I'm really really really hoping that DT hangs on long enough to take a chunk of tail with her when that big lump of muscle shakes her off. Mokepon seems to be just barely within the realm of settings where this would be an acceptable plot event... even if it isn't shown. I imagine that would drastically change the mood of the battle, battlers and crowd.
Reply Unnessecary (Guest), 04 Oct 2015 08:05 am
@Halosty: I Disagree, it doesn't matter whether or not the rules were on his side, he still complains when people make him battle but forces someone else to fight him.
an interesting thought does charizard tail taste as good as slowpoke tail?