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May 15th, 2013, 7:00 pm
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May 15th, 2013, 7:00 pm
Happy extra update! We found it unlikely that the Gym Leaders REALLY be so unskilled... So found it likely they probably have their own, REAL team, aside from the low level set they use for Gym Battles. I don't know how canon or not that is but neh.

To comfort me from the jumper abuse I drew a lil' Atty abuse. Bless, if someone's being nice and keeping to their word and such, he naturally assumes they're trying to screw him over.

See y'all soon. Tomorrow, in fact.
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May 15th, 2013, 7:03 pm
Atty's wearing his over-stretched jumper backwards...
Buri (Guest)
May 15th, 2013, 7:03 pm
Hah, Poor guy! Though I do like the idea of the gym leaders having their own real teams. Makes much more sense.
May 15th, 2013, 7:06 pm
I really like the idea of gym leaders having a weak and normal team. I hope this idea comes back later in the story.
dragoryu3000 (Guest)
May 15th, 2013, 7:06 pm
First! Unless someone else is typing a comment as I speak.

I've always been a fan of that theory, along with the variation that they have multiple teams for multiple levels of trainers. The only problem with that line of though is when you grind to be leagues above them, and yet they still use the same low-leveled team.

EDIT: Yup, not first at all.
varsaigen (Guest)
May 15th, 2013, 7:07 pm
It only makes sense for the Gym Leaders to have their own team, and a Gym sanctioned team. Especially if they are the first or second gym on the way. The League isn't going to put somebody who only made it to Cerulean in charge, after all. What life lessons could they even hope to impart? Oo

And, every now and then, they'd have to release their team because they got too strong by crushing the new trainers. :P
^_^ (Guest)
May 15th, 2013, 7:13 pm
I thought is was canon. I think Cheren says as much in Black/White 2.
w0lfh4wk (Guest)
May 15th, 2013, 7:25 pm
Yeah.... Stein isn't going to pay up is he? Poor Atticus.
Daym Daym Drops (Guest)
May 15th, 2013, 7:45 pm
WELL DAYM This explains a lot! :) My explanation was that the Gym leaders simply told their pokemon to not really bother.
May 15th, 2013, 7:54 pm
Nothin' like some Atty abuse to take a break from pitying Rat and the jumper. Still, it's cute that he got so surprised about people being nice to him x3
Humanplague (Guest)
May 15th, 2013, 8:08 pm
I would say that in the games, leaders having a weak team for gym matches is definatly canon. I mean have you seen some of the rematch teams in HG/SS, or the Pokemon they use in the Pokemon World Tournament in B/W2. Fighting those in the main story would be ridiculous.
It'sGuestTime (Guest)
May 15th, 2013, 8:29 pm
@^_^: Yeah, in B/W2 Cheren is put in charge of the first gym and he complains about not being able to use his "old team." I'd like to imagine Stein's real team is just 6 badass Arcanines.
May 15th, 2013, 8:30 pm
@^_^: Not to mention in SS/HG you can re-battle all the gym leaders and they have suped up teams of really powerful pokemon.
May 15th, 2013, 8:46 pm
After battling everyone who comes into the gym, you would think even a gym leader's "weak" team would be high level by now. :P
Roto (Guest)
May 15th, 2013, 8:50 pm
@varsaigen: The problem with that is not everyone starts in Pallet. What about the people who start in Saffron? or Celadon? Or elsewhere?

My personal theory is that they have mulitple teams based on badge number. If you have a ton of badges, they're gonna go easier on you than if you have zero badges.
May 15th, 2013, 8:53 pm
@Roto: ...I think you mean they'll go easier on you if you DON'T have a lot of badges, as that makes more sense.
Roto (Guest)
May 15th, 2013, 9:07 pm
@Frappecinno: Yeah pretty much, don't know how I wrote that in teh wrong order >_<

But yeah, it would even explain why in the games, they still use the same teams even if you've power leveled your pokemon to obscene levels.
Rob (Guest)
May 15th, 2013, 9:10 pm
Gym team theory Just for future knowledge. This was confirmed in Black and White 2. The Gym Leaders are commissioned by the pokemon league and assigned teams so that they an teach and foster trainers throughout their journey. Most Gym Leaders are considered to be elite trainers, it is their job to instruct and teach.
Kia (Guest)
May 15th, 2013, 9:12 pm
It's canon. In several games you can fight the gym leaders again after becoming champion, where their pokemon are much stronger and sometimes even different pokemon entirely. (I think Gen 3 was the first games to do this.) Some games even let you fight a stronger Elite 4!
May 15th, 2013, 9:20 pm
yeah, i'd say they do.
look at brock in HGSS and the other gyms in kanto that you fight when you go there, they have pokemon that are Lv 50 and above.

also, in BW2 Cheren is a normal type gym leader, despite having a team in BW, which he probably still has.

so yeah, i'd say gym leaders have a separate team. and i'm ready to be done with these two -_-;
Kyourin (Guest)
May 15th, 2013, 9:24 pm
I always thought of the Gym Leader sets of different level Pokemon, as well. It didn't make sense that their Pokemon would stay the same level if they gain experience from defeating challenger Pokemon.
May 15th, 2013, 9:38 pm
I has a feeling he could fix the jumper by throwing it in cold water, then drying it for a little bit. Just not sure how to keep it from shrinking to an itty-bitty size. XD
Sauronbane (Guest)
May 15th, 2013, 9:40 pm
Actually, this is completely accurate, if you've played Black or White 2, when you face the first gym leader (Cheren, the main characters friend in the first Black or White) and he mentions how he's not used to these low level pokemon, and more used to his own team!
Miyto (Guest)
May 15th, 2013, 9:54 pm
If I remember correctly... Gen 2 was the first game we saw the Kanto Gym Leaders 'real teams' it was after beating / becoming the Johto Champion you got to challenge the Kanto League up to the Champion vs. Champion match on top Mt. Silver.
All the Kanto Gym Leaders had pokemon of comparable level to the Elite Four in those games, I assume Gym Leaders are allowed their choice of pokemon against any Champion.
And yes, in Black/White 2 Cheren confirmed power regulated teams for Gym Leaders.

Just think if you fought Brock's 'real team' for your last badge ;p
May 15th, 2013, 10:25 pm
I'd always wondered why the Gym Leaders seemed to have easier to beat pokemon... Do they get a cut of offical money from the Tourneys or something?
Poppy (Guest)
May 15th, 2013, 10:36 pm
Yeah, this is a theory I agree with entirely. Others have mentioned the fact that Kanto leaders in G/S/C have really high level Pokémon, and there's also the fact that when you fight rematches Gym Leaders use very high level Pokémon.
May 15th, 2013, 11:44 pm
I kinda figured that too. That's my headcanon for why their teams are so much better in the PWT.
May 16th, 2013, 12:38 am
My headcanon was always that going through the Pokemon League was a sort of cultural "rite of passage", and gym leaders intentionally used weak teams to test young trainers.
Halosty (Guest)
May 16th, 2013, 12:49 am
It certainly makes sense they have separate teams, otherwise if any of the 8 gym leaders became better than the people in the pokemon league, no one would be able to even to go the league...
varsaigen (Guest)
May 16th, 2013, 1:36 am
@Roto: Simple. They're screwed. If they can't beat their home gym, (As some trainers apparently start in their home city, since the Gyms do not need to be beaten in any particular order.) then they can't get to the league! :D

Well, it actually means they travel to the easy gyms and work from there...
Oza (Guest)
May 16th, 2013, 1:58 am
Of course it's canon!
I always believed so, but the proof of the pudding is Cheren, whom we know to have high-leveled Pokemon, but uses only two low-leveled ones in his Gym battles.
zdw (Guest)
May 16th, 2013, 2:40 am
@Onasaki: wool shrinks in hot water thats why i said he would have a shower to fix it and that will help it not dry too small
May 16th, 2013, 3:06 am
aaah, NOW I get it! he's got the shirt the wrong way around! I was wondering why he didn't have that pattern up front.

and uh, just realised it didn't used to look like a hoodie. that thing sure is stretched ;_;

I hope he cleans it and then it shrinks so it's too small instead! muahahahahaa~~ >D
May 16th, 2013, 7:03 am
Yup. it's canon. When talking with professor Juniper in BW2, Cheren mentions how being a Gym Leader is hard because he can't use his real team.
Osha (Guest)
May 16th, 2013, 7:27 am
@Nightfury: If you use the Memory Link, you can indeed fight Cheren with his team from B/W1 during the post-game.
Voligne (Guest)
May 16th, 2013, 7:53 am
Wow, these guys are a couple of jerks arent they?
Hybrid (Guest)
May 16th, 2013, 7:55 am
Hmm... I'd have to agree with you on that idea; that gym leaders have their own teams but have a special set used for the gym battles - it's kinda illustrated in the HG/SS versions when you rematch the gym leaders.
Gosh Atty's jumper looks hilarious on him now that it's been stretched XD poor bloke.
Shadow (Guest)
May 16th, 2013, 9:00 am
Badges I always figured they based their levels based on how many badges you had, which would make sense for gold/silver when you go to fight them you technically have 8 already so they're like oohh got to bring out my bigger guys
That way even if you grinded to be higher level then them, they just see you as someone with no badges and treat you as such
May 16th, 2013, 9:14 am
True true!
Loopy-Lass (Guest)
May 16th, 2013, 9:28 am
Aww look at Stein's little whiskers ^^

@H0lyhandgrenade BTW shouldn't he be saying "I've never 'heard' a guy complain"? It would be more accurate since he's blind ^^
May 16th, 2013, 10:12 am
Lol all that work and now you can't even wear it XD
Magical Fish
May 16th, 2013, 10:24 am
Yeah, I always figured they use intentionally weaker teams than their own, otherwise the city would just recruit some random Youngster from the next town over to run the gym.
Unclever title
May 16th, 2013, 10:34 am
A lesson Atticus learned today.

Quit when you're ahead.
Valsion (Guest)
May 16th, 2013, 10:45 am
@Unclever title

And set fire to the gym when you are outside.
May 16th, 2013, 10:45 am
TwT....oh mind...MY MIIIIIIND~!

It went to that dark and naughty place again!

Maybe it's just that Atty looks so mature that I can't picture him being any younger than like...19....but that just makes it worse...omg...OTL *dying*


Anyway, maybe I'm just used to making an innuendo out of the most innocent of conversations but yeah....
VelkynKarma (Guest)
May 16th, 2013, 11:31 am
My friends and I actually had a similar idea for gym leaders...that they have a variety of teams to evenly match whoever their challenger is fairly. Because probably not everybody starts from Pallet Town, so if you're fighting a trainer starting from, say, Lavender Town, they proooobably have more experience and higher-leveled 'mons.
Koranos (Guest)
May 16th, 2013, 12:43 pm
@^_^: He does indeed mention a lil frustration at not using his "usual" team during your players gym battle with him, so yes, I'd say this idea is pretty much canon.
The PM (Guest)
May 16th, 2013, 1:32 pm
I see little need to mention that I agree with this theory by by Joe I'ma do it anyway.

Glad to say that I always had this idea though and didn't only just realize it might be the case from reading this. Makes me feel good about myself for some reason.
May 16th, 2013, 2:27 pm
@melvin2898: it's a canon thing too, I mean it's kinda obvious if you think about it. But it was first "canon canon" when Cheren said in White/Black 2 that he can't use his regular team while being a gym leader, because he is the first gym and with that needs to have weaker Pokémon to first test the abilitys of the trainers.
May 20th, 2013, 7:25 am
My mind said it was definitely a kiss...In fact- I might just take that middle panel out of context and change Atty's words in the bubble entirely ;D
kokiri foredst (Guest)
May 20th, 2013, 7:50 am
Mr. Henry
May 31st, 2013, 5:50 pm
I kinda wish that was a thing in the games, where you can revisit the gym leaders and fight their real(and overpowered) team.
Harangue (Guest)
November 20th, 2013, 8:44 pm
@dragoryu3000: Actually, this is canon, if I recall. The team a gym leader uses depends on the number of badges the challenger has. They even allude to this in that Pokemon: The Origin animation that came out a while before X/Y. Brock asks Red how many badges he has, and when he discovers this is his first battle, Brock decides only to use Onix and Geodude out of a set of Pokeballs.