Chapter 10 Page 61

October 2nd, 2015, 2:56 pm
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H0lyhandgrenade
October 2nd, 2015, 1:08 pm
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So, I don't usually like to do this, but I felt I ought to address a common theme in comments I've been getting lately, considering the ah... Dislike for Kirst and Laika. Yes, I AM aware that what they've doing hasn't been pleasant. I'm just going to say, stick with it, and if you still end up being unhappy, well, there's always next chapter. I'll admit I must have misjudged; I didn't expect people to love them or anything, but I didn't expect such intense hatred and unhappiness over a character being a jerk. The more you write the more you learn.

On a brighter note, there were some pages missing from earlier chapters, but they've been fixed now =) Thanks to Glueckskeks for helping me out with fixing it, and thanks to the folks who messaged me letting me know!

See y'all soon.
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Visitor (Guest)
October 2nd, 2015, 2:58 pm
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Might want to let go, DT.
Guest
October 2nd, 2015, 3:01 pm
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Eh, they're just over-reacting h0ly. I honestly don't know why. I mean, come on, Thad and Trix didn't get nearly as much hate, and they pulled a gun on Atticus. I don't think "being a jerk" is worse than "nearly murdering the main character".
Realdream (Guest)
October 2nd, 2015, 3:08 pm
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@Guest:This guys right h0ly, most people are just over-reacting. I myself am actually looking forward to see how this turns out.
Guest
October 2nd, 2015, 3:15 pm
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Yes, the beginning of his cunning plan!

Death by a thousand noms.
anon (Guest)
October 2nd, 2015, 3:20 pm
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I think the difference is that you kind of expect Team Rocket to be jackasses, but in this it seems like they're bullying someone for something that's kind of expected for a trainer to do when he encounters a gym leader.
quinn (Guest)
October 2nd, 2015, 3:24 pm
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I actually find them pleasantly distasteful. As long they don't lower the quality of the story, I think they make good adversaries. And I'm really curious to see how Atty responds to a jerkface who has him completely and utterly outgunned.

...Think of it like Umbridge from Harry Potter. She's a magnificent character, but everyone absolutely despises her.
Phoena (Guest)
October 2nd, 2015, 3:45 pm
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I find Kirst somewhat obnoxious with all his assumptions about Atticus, but I don't think he's a bad guy. As for Laika, I've been intrigued by her character since she first showed up in Rumplestiltskin. She seems pretty cool.
BattleStarX
October 2nd, 2015, 3:52 pm
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That last panel is by far too funny. I can imagine everyone in the room being dead silent with little ellipses over their heads.
CrowWingedAngel
October 2nd, 2015, 3:58 pm
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What's Dragonthing doing?
She's doing her best.
Unnessecary (Guest)
October 2nd, 2015, 4:14 pm
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I don't like them not because they are assholes, but because their not very funny and are self righteous assholes. The fact that they are so smugly sure Atticus is doing something wrong when he isn't, against the protests of the kid they say they are defending, and are insulting him while attempting to beat him into the dust just makes them unlikable.

At least when the Masked Man did this, he had a good reason. He just saw Atty push Kahn into fighting when Khan didn't want to. And after the very short fight he accepted Atty's obviously bogus excuse about dt fainting which kinda showed he figured out Atty wasn't as malicious as he first thought and just left.

Most of the characters of Mokepon are jerks in one way or another, but most have something interesting that makes them funny or likable. Krist's complete hypocrisy is a bit amusing, but Laika is just boring. So when they act like Jerks, I have less reason to ignore it.
Krazehhcakes
October 2nd, 2015, 5:11 pm
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@Unnessecary: Atty was going to battle an underage gym leader ((labor laws)) on vacation simply due to type advantage.
Also atty was running from a challenge through a bathroom window lol.
Unnessecary (Guest)
October 3rd, 2015, 8:42 am
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@Krazehhcakes: Looking back at the comic where Atty challenged Luke, he was for the most part polite (as polite as Atty gets anyway) when challenging Luke and Luke's reaction was basically, "Sure, we can have a battle, but I need to check the rules first."

That is one of main things I'm not liking them. They say they are defending Luke, while completely disregarding everything he has been trying to say to them. They are being far more rude to him than Atty was.
Krazehhcakes
October 3rd, 2015, 9:13 am
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@Unnessecary: Mmm... i'll refrain from spoilers but there's reasons to these character's behaviors. And if being hypocritical is a huge turn off to you, there's plenty of hypocritical behaviors that Atty has displayed as well. You barely got to know Laika and Kirst so they may/may not develop more than Atty.
Unnessecary (Guest)
October 3rd, 2015, 6:09 pm
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@Krazehhcakes: It's entirely possible for them to be completely awesome characters later, but as of this page, I feel I have no reason to care for them. It's not that I hate them, it's that I find them kind of annoying. I can only talk about what I have seen so far, and what I have seen of them I don't care for.

As for Atty's hypocritical behavior, doesn't he suffer instant karma for pretty much all of those moments? He wants to be left alone and is annoyed by people challenging him, so when he forced Artemis to fight him, Niobe kicked DT's ass. He also nearly got arrested. Hypocrisy is tricky, it can be used for comedic effect, but it can just as easily be really annoying.
Halosty (Guest)
October 3rd, 2015, 11:51 pm
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@Unnessecary: Yeah but forcing a gym leader, who is in the gym, to do their job and fight you, is just getting them to uphold their civic duty. Gyms are official battling places, so it's not hypocritical to expect the gymleader to fight you when you don't want other people to randomly challenge you.
Just my two pokedollars.
Unnessecary (Guest)
October 4th, 2015, 8:05 am
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@Halosty: I Disagree, it doesn't matter whether or not the rules were on his side, he still complains when people make him battle but forces someone else to fight him.
Armaturkey
October 2nd, 2015, 4:29 pm
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Hey... sometimes those characters just...exist. The fact that they are garnering that kind of a reaction has to be a success considering they were meant to be disliked.

Plus it gives someone to make atty look like a saint in comparison since pretty much everyone he has encountered save for some Rockets seems to be on the more pleasant side than our protagonist! lol
PotatoNinja (Guest)
October 2nd, 2015, 4:39 pm
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These are your characters, you're free to do with them and give them traits as you see fit. If some don't like it, just kinda sucks for them if they're letting a few characters spoil the whole bloody thing for em.

Idk if Laika is being a jerk so much as teaching Atty a lesson, I think. He wants to battle a gym leader while they're on vacation? Well there's a gym leader who is willing to fight you. The gym leaders have their role for a reason. Then again the previous pages have become a bit faded in my mind, so that's a thing.

We shouldn't really complain about her using a much stronger pokemon on him, we do it all the time in the games guys, think of the NPC's, and yes, Gym Leaders ._.

Kirst is just, eh. It's obvious that he's being illogical and hypocritical but like, oh well. It's just fictional characters y'all, they all have their traits and appearances for a reason.
Mr. Man (Guest)
October 2nd, 2015, 4:40 pm
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Write what you like, it's been working well so far.
Z (Guest)
October 2nd, 2015, 4:56 pm
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Don't worry H0ly, people do love them, as villains that is.

They just ensure that people are rooting for Attie. "Love to hate" is the trope for them :)
Justme (Guest)
October 2nd, 2015, 5:03 pm
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Honestly, I LIKE Laika. She's the hottest female character you've put in yet. And to be honest, I feel that you have her acting realistically. These trainers are all here on vacation and here comes an upstart looking to pick on a younger trainer for an easy victory? As for Kirst... yes, he's being a bit of an a-hole, but he's still acting realistically. You can tell it's in his character... who the hell dresses like that and acts POLITE all the time? If anything, these people would be acting even MORE severe if they knew the background that we know about Atty. Those that are complaining just aren't thinking or are looking for everyone in the comic to be "Oh, you're the main character? Okay, you're the coolest guy ever and we bow before your excellence."
Sebastian (Guest)
October 2nd, 2015, 5:52 pm
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@Justme: I agree wholehertedly. Personally I never cared for the fact that all of the gym leaders were happy, amicable people to every cocky little asshole kid who challenged them. You characters seem like real human beings. I like Kirst and Laika a lot. This is your story. If people don't like the way you're writing it, they don't have to read it. *shrug*
Sagan (Guest)
October 2nd, 2015, 5:09 pm
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They've got a bullying streak to them, but honestly, Atty's far from squeaky clean either. I still haven't forgotten his indifferent attitude towards DT or his needlessly blunt goodbye thrown at George
Guest
October 2nd, 2015, 5:50 pm
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@Sagan:

Lets not forget the shooting star, Rat, and his ear. I had a great laugh then, and still find it funny remembering.
Caio (Guest)
October 2nd, 2015, 5:41 pm
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I don't think Laika is a jerk. That's new to me. Cold maybe, but not a jerk.

Kirst, on the other hand. He's going out of his way to be an asshole. I wanna see the day Atty beats his sorry ass.
Riverfox237 (Guest)
October 2nd, 2015, 5:47 pm
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In case it helps, at worst, I think Kirst is irritating, and Laika seems like she could be cool without the misconceptions.

And come one, he SAID he wanted a pokemon battle, it's not like they're putting him on trial or killing him or anything.

Anyhoo, just...idk, thought I'd reassure you of another person who doesn't hate them. *shrug*
MilkyTea
October 2nd, 2015, 5:50 pm
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I think part of the reason they are so hated is because, since the release speed is so slow compared to how long the actual event would last, we're subjected to these jerks being jerks for a very long time, and every time we seem them, they're still being jerks! So there's nothing to redeem them, but the abuse seems to pile up.

Also, they're doing this whole show (public humiliation) to "protect" a kid... sounds noble enough, except it's the kid's JOB as a gym leader to battle every challenger. And the kid wasn't even upset or bothered at all. Kirst just got offended in the name of someone who was neither wronged or offended to begin with, and decided to punish someone for it.

We've seen Atticus get forced to battle because "that's just how it works" and yet they complain about it. I fully expect trainers would battle each other while on the can if they could get the door open while you're in there, so they shouldn't be so surprised to be challenged on vacation.

Kirst may be a bully and a self-righteous butthead, but Laika seem smart, so I'm sure she's not all bad.
Nobuna
October 2nd, 2015, 6:05 pm
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I didn't think there was an issue, but keep it up I like this chapter. Frankly Atty has done far worse and said far worse, so it's not like he doesn't deserve this treatment. He also is technically getting what he asked for
Rob Carlson (Guest)
October 2nd, 2015, 6:21 pm
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Oh my god, I LOVE this page. Dragonthing actually had me fooled for a moment. xD
King (Guest)
October 2nd, 2015, 6:21 pm
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Pls don't pls don't make any changes because people commenting. Vocal minority and all that.
Emma (Guest)
October 2nd, 2015, 7:00 pm
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My issue is her blatant hypocrisy. Atty was a "bully" for daring to challenge the young grass gym leader (assuming that wasn't a pretense.)and she frog marches him into a big public fight and whips out a motherloving charizard. Frankly I have no idea how you could make what she's doing ok (I assume it's supposed to be some lesson)
Guest
October 3rd, 2015, 5:50 am
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@Emma:

You do realize that she gave him a way out, don't you? Back at Chapter 10, page 50. So you're kinda being what you said she was, blatant hypocrisy at it's best, right there.

Also, the one railing on about bullying was the dude with the cape.
Emma (Guest)
October 5th, 2015, 8:38 pm
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@Guest: "
You do realize that she gave him a way out, don't you? Back at Chapter 10, page 50. So you're kinda being what you said she was, blatant hypocrisy at it's best, right there.
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and I more or less covered that on that page. She asked "Are you that afraid of me?" while standing outside his only escape route WAITING FOR HIM. It's not like he's going to say "Yes lady, I'm afraid of you" and she damn well knew it seeing as she then smirked and said "I'd hate to be bullying you".
joanne kaye
October 2nd, 2015, 7:42 pm
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Well it isn't as though they aren't doing what pretty much everyone who plays the games does- I mean really, the only time I HAVEN'T seen someone over-level in order to beat up all the everything was when someone was playing with rules against it (typically a Nuzlocke).

...Also they're clearly social justice bloggers come on it's SO obvious!
worst trainer (Guest)
October 2nd, 2015, 8:25 pm
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wuhtttt... i really like these characters tbh. xD
it's not often i see a tough-looking female character, especially in pokemon...
Nyzer (Guest)
October 2nd, 2015, 8:48 pm
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... Huh? I don't get why they're hated. They're not terribly nice people, but they're teaching some overconfident party crasher who honed in on Luke a lesson, or at least that's how they seem to see it.
AND Laika gave Atty a chance to back down, even if she did make a taunt out of it.
AND this is... just a battle. I mean for crying out loud, Atty had someone break into his room, rifle through his stuff, and then challenge him and no one on the ship batted an eye.

Frankly, getting his jumper stolen at the rock gym when he didn't even want to have any part in that crap was a lot worse than what Laika and Kirst are doing.
Evilbob_dA
October 2nd, 2015, 9:02 pm
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LOL.

Don't think Kirst is getting that much hate, h0ly. Besides, he's a gym leader. As we all know, we hold gym leaders to a higher standard.

It's like how people don't go into streets in protest about asshole bouncers who engage in excessive force. Asshole police who engage in excessive force...? Expect, at the very minimum, a demonstration... Don't be surprised if it turns into a full-on riot...
varsaigen (Guest)
October 2nd, 2015, 9:07 pm
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Can you imagine how boring stories would be if everyone got along? Stories (especially those with drama in it), NEED characters that are jerks. Consider them antagonists, whether major or minor in role. They provide strife and conflict for the protagonist to overcome.

In this case, Atticus is dealing with some... possibly middle-rank antagonists. How he emerges from this, physically and mentally, is what is most important.

So for all those griping about jerks being present in the comic, be patient and see how it turns out! Who knows, they might just meet karma, putting them in their place. And wouldn't their reactions be priceless? :D
RazorD9
October 2nd, 2015, 9:22 pm
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Is it wrong for me to think it's cute that D.T. is biting Blaize tail in the last panel.

Huh, it is kind of weird how people react to characters and all. Sure Kirst was all in Atty's face and Laika pulled a Charizard, but not like they were curb stomping puppies or growlithes or some other puppy pokemon in front of orphans. Hell, most of the time in the show when someone is being a jerk to Ash they turn out to be great guys with dreams and are all buddy with Ash at the end of the episode. So let 'em be jerks, because then at the end of the chapter when the Squirtle Squad are putting out the St. Anne, Kirst and Laika are going to be bro fisting Atty.
qazox
October 2nd, 2015, 9:55 pm
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Wish Bite was more effective there DT...
Guest
October 2nd, 2015, 10:18 pm
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I don't think you should worry about any hatred they're getting. Good stories need jerks, they keep things interesting.
Myou (Guest)
October 2nd, 2015, 10:34 pm
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I actually don't have much of an issue with Laika. Kirst is the one that grinds my gears, mostly because hypocrisy is a pet peeve of mine and he's wallowing in it. As others said, I hold a gym leader to a higher standard than Joe Shmoe or Team Rocket. It's part of their job to accept any challenge, so the bullying seems petty and unnecessary to me.
HVoice
October 2nd, 2015, 11:01 pm
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LMAO that Charizard is like "Whut...really?"
SVM (Guest)
October 3rd, 2015, 12:55 am
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It's 'cause the gym leaders are being petty jerks over nothing. Like, gasp, a trainer challenged a gym leader. Woop-di-doo.

Some people are saying it's to teach Atty a lesson to not challenge gym leaders while they're on vacation. But, she COULD'VE just said "beat it kid, we're on vacation," and that would be that. But no, let me savagely brutalize your beloved companion.

This is something you do to one of the countless psycopathic NPC trainers to give them a wake-up call. Atty's one of the handful of sensible people in the world, though, so this is basically undeserved punishment.
PercussionFish (Guest)
October 3rd, 2015, 1:10 am
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After going back and re-reading the interactions leading up to this point, I can see why there has been so much negativity directed towards Kirst and Laika. Kirst is being completely unreasonable and Laika is acting as the main antagonist at this point.

Also, from what I've seen, some people on the internet like to express their opinions of things on the extreme ends of the spectrum, no matter how mild their true opinions might be.
Guest
October 3rd, 2015, 1:30 am
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I don't mind Laika and Kirst, myself. I think they're actually rather interesting characters. They might seem more intense since we're seeing this story through Atty's perspective and neither seem to particularly like him.
Guest
October 3rd, 2015, 2:33 am
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The mystery punner strikes again! Would chew believe it?
What a biting performance.
It's time to crunch down the numbers.
Dragonthing's trying to nip this one in the bud.
(I'll stop now.)
Guest
October 3rd, 2015, 3:06 am
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For what it's worth, I really like Kirst and I thought his cape swoosh/ tray holding pose was brilliant and one of the funniest parts of the entire comic so far.

I can't believe the levels of faux-hatred for them that have been posted - its as though people aren't aware that some fictional characters can be bad.

First comment I've ever posted, keep up the good work, I love the comic.
Sol
October 3rd, 2015, 3:37 am
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I don't hate them at all, they feel very realistic to me. Atty just comes in and tries to ruin their vacation in a way, trying to pick on what he views as a weaker gym leader, so they want to stand up for their colleague and put him in his place.
Merrsharr
October 3rd, 2015, 3:49 am
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Blaize be like "srsly?"
Ah no, it's "char?"
Nascent Opinion (Guest)
October 3rd, 2015, 3:58 am
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While I have to agree with many of the comments above, governing as to why those two would receive a poor reputation; all we have seen is them on a bad day. One acting like an enforcer and the other just shy of a cartoon villain.

What we have not seen, what I have not felt was conveyed beyond; vaguely alluded to. Was the frustration of both, as the Poke'mon training has become a churning pile of lack-wits that make George on a bad day, look good. A situation where our dear protagonist has all the bad luck manifested. We never see the growing frustration of either Gym Leader as their job and the purpose of the league gradually becomes a sadder degrading joke then Jesse and James. All we see is their inevitable explosion on someone which doesn't actually care about any of it and was at the wrong place at the wrong time. It has only been hinted at, a sentence there, a glance there, but the hints of Gym leader frustration with 'Ash Catch'em Syndrome' are present.

Or perhaps I'm completely wrong, wouldn't be the first time, won't be the last.
El Zoof
October 3rd, 2015, 4:59 am
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I want to be the very best
Or at least I want to try
Maybe have a little rest
And then try not to die
I will travel across the land
Searching for a light
Won't try to understand
Why you all just want to fight

MOKEPON
Guess I'll catch this one
MOKEPON
HOLY SHIT IS THAT A GUN?
You teach me and I won't care
MOOOKEEEPON
...this boat's going to sink, isn't it.
Takeshre
October 3rd, 2015, 9:45 am
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@El Zoof: Replace "Or at least I want to try" with "Or at least better than that guy."

Also, the 2nd part should be
"Mokepon! Guess I'll catch this thing (Do people find this fun?)
Why the hell do you have a gun?!
Mokepon! Oh, why should I care
In this world, logic is rare
Mokepon! Just go away
I've nothing here left to say
What on earth is wrong with you?
Mokepon! (Guess I'll catch this thing) Guess I'll try a bit (Mokepon!)"
Danny (Guest)
October 3rd, 2015, 7:58 am
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I don't mind, I get why they're pissy anyway, it's their holiday and some guy's crashed their party wanting a fight
I guess the 'being a jerk' is just a way for us to back Atty (Team Rocket, Pokemon-Stealing, People and Pokemon abandoning Atty by the way), anyways, just keep at it, your content your rules
disastermaster
October 3rd, 2015, 8:26 am
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I don't dislike Laika, Kirst yes but not Laika I mean she hasn't done anything wrong...

And on a completely different note this fight will turn into the untouchable magikarp fight right?
http://cdn.pokestache.com/2013/12/4/13dd7353ed03412016b8c3660ca6cd57.gif
HaikenEdge
October 3rd, 2015, 9:24 am
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Both characters seem very one-note. One's a hypocritical bully, the other is meathead.
Ulfhade (Guest)
October 3rd, 2015, 10:12 am
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To throw in my two pokedollars:

I love this comic. I love all the characters. They're real. You will get some people with a chip on their shoulder, you will get some people who want everyone to get along. And I've seen so many examples of personalities I could see in real life, which is part of what makes this so fantastic to me. I wonder if Krist is protective because of what he's experienced, or that he used to be the only one who did stick up for Luke? Is he just the kind of person who overrides what everyone else says based on his personal opinion?

Basically what I'm trying to say is I think they're people with their own reasons for doing what they do, and I can't wait to see in the future how they affect both Atty and themselves.

Thank you for the fantastic work, and I always look forward to what you will amaze with next.
Lanval (Guest)
October 3rd, 2015, 10:24 am
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Popping out from my Lurking to comment on reaction to Kirst and Laika. I see that the comment thread has already moved to defend them, which is good. Personally, I like them and I think it's good to see Atty kicked around and humbled a bit by superior trainers.

But I'd honestly say that the bad reaction isn't towards anything inherent in the characters but because of the format of the story and the sort of people who comment.

The thread here draws the dedicated readers who are pretty invested in the story and sympathize with the Main Character in some important ways (myself included), so I find in some cases there are people who get very upset when they see the main character being given a verbal beatdown and put in his place and will hate the characters that made that happen. I mean, they're placing themselves in this character's shoes and letting him be their avatar in world, so seeing him get handed a beatdown over a gradual month or two month period is understandably something that will make them want to vent frustration.

On the other hand, these sorts of verbal beatdowns can be very useful for character development and exposing the flaws of the character in a story format. Atty most definitely needs this bite of humble pie and now that other readers (myself included) are worried that H0ly will be dissuaded from this, we're popping in with counter-points. Mine would basically be; Any characters who tear down the main character (not even necessarily people who are being jerks in doing so) are going to get backlash due to how Webcomics work but that doesn't mean the characters are bad for the story or aren't enjoyable in themselves.

I guess my point is; there are a lot of people who are reading that are not commenting and they can be different audiences. I wouldn't trust my judgement of the value of characters solely to regulars though it's good to see H0ly take their concerns into account. Personally, I've really enjoyed Laika and Kirst and I hope to see more of them after this encounter (ideally during a rematch where Atty has somewhat evened the odds).
marowakmaniac (Guest)
October 3rd, 2015, 10:40 am
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You make realistic characters. that's why I tterly ABHOR these. because these are realistic, and I've met people like this in real life, and I abhor them as well. So it proves you're a good writer because you made them just like real people, but I can't wait to see them gone because I can't wait to get away from people like them IRL too. but hey, I can say the same about Professor Umbridge in Harry potter,
Raichu (Guest)
October 3rd, 2015, 10:54 am
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Laika is ok. I just hate Kirst. I want Dragonthing beating his Dratinis.
SunBro (Guest)
October 3rd, 2015, 12:27 pm
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I love the alt text reference to Dark Souls. Been playing it obsessively for a week or 2 now.
MoogleSam
October 3rd, 2015, 12:44 pm
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Personally I dislike both Laika and Kirst - not as characters, but as people.
Tallest Skil
October 3rd, 2015, 1:30 pm
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@H0lyhandgrenade

>>I didn’t expect such intense hatred and unhappiness over a character being a jerk.

That just means you didn’t expect your work to be good. Who cares if people hate the characters you WANT them to hate? That’s the idea. Good on you for people not liking them!
Ash927 (Guest)
October 3rd, 2015, 2:24 pm
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Wait what? I love both of those characters.
Atros (Guest)
October 3rd, 2015, 2:35 pm
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Just weighing in because of the author comment, don't tend to read all the comments; I like both characters; I dislike Kirst as a person, but he's the Righteous type, he's still fun to read about if not be around. I don't really know enough about Laika to judge as a person; I mean, Atticus did sortof stroll up to them on their vacation and challenge their weakest member to a battle. If I was on a company picnic and someone came by to throw some work on my secretary I'd be looking to ruin their fuckin' day too.
Guest
October 3rd, 2015, 3:33 pm
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Just another case of loud minority. This arc is great. Laika comes off as defending her naive sprout friend and Kirst is annoying, but not to any great extent.

Think to shows like Silicon Valley or BBT - there's a place for annoying characters that don't get along with the protagonist.
Luxnight (Guest)
October 3rd, 2015, 3:36 pm
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Honestly I don't see why people are having an issue with Kirst and Laika. Kirst felt Atty was being an unfair, smug little shit by picking on someone younger that he would have an advantage against. Not only that, but challenging the kid on their off time. I would be incredibly offended and uppity if some little crap trainer pulled that on my downtime and would have no problem trashing their team (and kicking them into the ocean after.)

And Laika seems to think Atty sees himself as a bigshot with a fire-spitting lizard (Which we all know is untrue about Atticus) She's merely giving him a taste of what a real fight is going to be like. What he'll be dealing with later down the road. If anything, this is a good experience for him. He'll get his ass handed to him, and maybe he'll take being a trainer more seriously. A cliche trope, but something Atty needs.

Sorry for rambling, or if any of this was written poorly. I can't seem to english despite being english. x3 Love the story and the characters, H0ly. This comic is one of the things I look forward to every Monday/Wednesday/Friday~
Me (Guest)
October 3rd, 2015, 6:01 pm
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I don't hate them I think there's just a polling bias. The only people who're going to comment on characters are the ones who care strongly one way or another. If the commenter doesn't have strong feelings, they will not comment.
Deuswyvern (Guest)
October 3rd, 2015, 9:22 pm
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They honestly never bothered me. I like them both. Frankly I get the impression that Luke is the sort of kid that always defends his bullies, they just picked the wrong time to put their foot down.
gudenau
October 3rd, 2015, 9:51 pm
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To be honest, I kinda like them. To me they seem like jerks, but on the inside are not; just that they have been though a lot of crap.

Also, I am no longer a guest.
PrimevalDragon (Guest)
October 3rd, 2015, 10:57 pm
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To tell the truth, I love them. Not every character can or should be lovable. You need jerks in opposition to other characters to highlight the good qualities. Keep up the awesome writing. I can't wait to see how the battle ends.
DJSeraph
October 4th, 2015, 5:41 am
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Have not read the comments... but I'd just like to say that I'm really really really hoping that DT hangs on long enough to take a chunk of tail with her when that big lump of muscle shakes her off. Mokepon seems to be just barely within the realm of settings where this would be an acceptable plot event... even if it isn't shown. I imagine that would drastically change the mood of the battle, battlers and crowd.
orihalium
October 4th, 2015, 9:58 am
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an interesting thought does charizard tail taste as good as slowpoke tail?
Guile (Guest)
October 4th, 2015, 12:15 pm
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@orihalium: And then Balize and DT evolve into Charbro. Nice.

As for the gym leaders: love them or hate them, it is nice to see they're a group with their own history and in-jokes ("You're not the first trainer to try to escape from her out the bathroom window." "Shut up."), and (deeply dysfunctional) friends that try to come to the rescue of their friends whether they need them to or not ("Perhaps instead of this small child you would care to face KRIST, MASTER OF DRAGONS?").
melaredblu
October 4th, 2015, 4:39 pm
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For what it's worth, I don't have any particular dislike for either of them. I actually kind of like Laika for being able to call Atty on his blatant cover-up. And Kirst seems to have a bit of an ego on him, but it's entertaining. I don't really get why anyone has a problem with either character, but to each his own, I guess.
Guest
October 4th, 2015, 8:34 pm
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You know, some characters aren't meant to be liked and I that's what Kirst and Laika are. They're Atticus's antagonist's. I like seeing Atticus being put into a corner, it builds tension and it's interesting.
Kira (Guest)
October 4th, 2015, 10:12 pm
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readin through the comments im convinced of three things

the people who say they like Kirst are white knighting

The people who are taking it as an attack on H0ly just want an excuse to start an argument

And the people who say well attys exactly the ame #1 no hes not hes actually likable #2 if that's true why should we have extra characters exactly the same as the main one?
JC_Mraz
October 5th, 2015, 10:29 am
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Not every character that's written can be or has to be likeable. Don't stop writing characters like Kirst and Laika just because a lot of people don't get that :) I don't like them but whatever lol I don't like every person I meet, I don't imagine I should like every character I read.
Some Douche (Guest)
October 5th, 2015, 2:10 pm
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Someone pointed out that people aren't disliking Thad and Trix for being (super) jerks earlier dispite disliking Kirst and Laika. Difference is Thad and Trix know they are jerks and knew they were being jerks. These guys think they're doing the right thing by being obvious bullying assholes and that's why they're incredibly annoying.
Z (Guest)
October 5th, 2015, 3:11 pm
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SunspackledShadow (Guest)
October 5th, 2015, 5:24 pm
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Don't Worry This just means people are seriously empathizing with Atty. After all, they aren't REALLY jerks (no more than anyone else), but they're getting to Atty, which means they're getting to the fans. You get authoring A+.

On that note, I sure hope this battle doesn't end badly for Atticus! (Haha, just kidding: there's no hope.)
RainbowCat (Guest)
October 5th, 2015, 5:52 pm
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Whether they'll seem less douchey later doesn't change how douchey they seem now. I'll be happy to change my mind about them later, but I prefer to let the story make the case for them, rather than try to hypothesize more benign or benevolent motivations. That kind of understanding is best reserved for real people I can actually affect with knee-jerk reactions or sympathy.
meepmo (Guest)
October 18th, 2015, 7:00 pm
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I don't get it I don't get why it doesn't surprise anybody Atty meets/battles that Dragonthing can fight without commands. I thought it was supposed to be this impossible, amazing thing, and it shocked a few of his earlier challengers, but now, people he's never met before who SHOULD also be surprised don't even bat an eye at it...
chaos-of-vinnie
July 23rd, 2016, 6:05 am
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Whaaat I don't get it? How can people seriously be hating them? They haven't really done anything that bad besides be on the 'opposing' side to Atty. They're hardly 'bad' in my opinion annnnnnd come on character diversity people! Can't have everyone being the same.
Insert Guest Name Here (Guest)
May 20th, 2017, 7:54 am
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Well, I don't hate them (Kirst and Laika), and for the record, I don't find Atticus particularly sympathetic. (I love the comic, but the protagonist is flawed, we all have that figured out by now.) But I would like to point out something.

Atticus' original challenge was due to ignorance. He's shown again and again he doesn't understand how things work. It's not really comparable to what the others are doing, especially Laika. It's the imbalance of power and knowledge that makes it bullying.

So, basically: 1) I don't think Atticus was bullying Luke here- he was committing a social misstep. They could have explained it to him and told him to back off without all hat drama. and 2) Even if Atticus WAS maliciously bullying Luke, Laika's response would be far worse because she's a grown-ass adult and a gym leader. You just don't power play with people who have no power. It's ineffective, and it's cruel.