Chapter 13 Page 96

March 11th, 2019, 5:00 pm
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H0lyhandgrenade
March 11th, 2019, 5:00 pm
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This page might look a lil' different, because I tried digital inking again. I actually had a good time... I think I'll stick to this for a while.

Ah'll sithee later.
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Vapor (Guest)
February 26th, 2019, 9:09 am
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Glad you had fun with the inking! =) It definitely looks great still. ^^

And yes, finally, Atty, get to the part of telling her what's going on with DT. XD
Authora1604
March 11th, 2019, 5:05 pm
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agreed
Trevalyan (Guest)
March 11th, 2019, 5:09 pm
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If she was even mildly less friendly, George could tell Atticus that even as jerks, they deserve to have their Pokemon stolen a lot less than he does.
Though George is so desperate for positive attention and kindness, portraying the Pokemon Fan Club as bad people will be a really, really hard sell.
gamerblackjacket
March 11th, 2019, 5:13 pm
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TELL HER FUCKING DUMASS
o<o (Guest)
March 11th, 2019, 6:08 pm
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oh god fucking fINALLY
Osmostrix (Guest)
March 11th, 2019, 6:22 pm
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Oh man!
What's gonna happen now?!
RazorD9
March 11th, 2019, 6:26 pm
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Ok folks, on the count of three....

ONE

TWO

THREE!

GOT ON WITH IT!

Yeah, can understand why Atty id having a hard time with just coming clean with George. Never been a people person and is awkward as hell.
AndreTheLugia
March 11th, 2019, 7:29 pm
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Seems like the lies are getting destroyed, slowly and surely.
Pyran (Guest)
March 11th, 2019, 7:47 pm
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I genuinely love that last panel of George
AngryRobot (Guest)
March 11th, 2019, 9:34 pm
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Ugh, this is getting way into the top tier of "dramatic BS that could be easily solved with some basic arse, clear communication."
Its simple: "they took my lizard hostage, and I gotta steal mons or they'll kill me and sell him." Boom, done, work on finding solutions
When will the character of Atty get bloody over himself? The only person who's got it right here is Georgie. Wow, someone who can socialize, doesn't arbitrarily judge,and doesn't have her head so far up her rear, it takes a salamander with a flaming tail to see.
Its honestly sorta embarrassing for Atty by now. He's no better than those people, but just on the opposite spectrum.
Kalietha (Guest)
March 12th, 2019, 12:03 am
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@AngryRobot: Let's face it, irl people are rarely use clear communication when strong emotions are involved. It can take hours of argument for it even to get clear what the actual problem is.
bingo bongo (Guest)
March 12th, 2019, 12:43 am
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@Kalietha:
Yeah but like... reasonable doesn't mean interesting to read. Three pages of the same argument that only now starts to move forward is boring.
Anon (Guest)
March 12th, 2019, 12:58 am
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@bingo bongo: three pages, but only a few seconds of talking for them, give it time lol
AngryRobot (Guest)
March 12th, 2019, 12:59 pm
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@Anon: Yeah, people often struggle to communicate, though personally I make it a point to always try and get to the heart of an issue. Often solutions to a problem are simpler than people like to admit, because life is dull if things were too simple. And uncomfortable, as truth often is.
I agree that this has become a slog to read though, especially with the week long waits
Mega, mega kudos to our glorious author who keeps a consistent schedule and consistent quality, as I look forward to every page. The other side of that sword makes these the longest weeks ever, and infuriating conversations like these only serve to drag the story and characters down.
Atty himself may be one of the worst characters I've ever seen written though. He started as this dominic deegan type misanthrope who's the only brained sort in a world of brainless, but he's learned nothing, not grown at all, and become a completely shallow, unsympathetic derp who's only meaningful quality is his art skills. With the way he stares down his nose at people, the abuse he suffered on the SS Anne feels more deserved now than ever. Perhaps the masked man could see him for what he was from the very start.
Watching Atty's journey has been like watching the slow downward spiral of a drug addict as he burns every bridge he finds, and its become agonizing. I hope he hits rock bottom soon and grows some manner of soul, unless this is one long honest process in watching someone become a truly bad and irredeemable person, in which case...very avante garde.
StumbleReel (Guest)
March 14th, 2019, 3:28 pm
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@AngryRobot: lol geez dude he ain't Bojack Horseman. What were these bridges you say he burned? He only ditched George for awhile and pissed off Dragon Thing, he left everybody else he met because (like every other trainer) he's traveling!
As for growth; well he is clearly not the same as he was at the beginning of this comic. He isn't dismissive of DT anymore nor does he consider George too annoying to have around. He still wise-cracks and criticizes the logic of the pokemon world because that's funny. I think his attitude is justified when almost nothing goes right for him.
I see why you wouldn't find his snark funny, but I don't see why you've even read this far if you don't. To me, that's what makes him appealing on a moment-to-moment level, I personally wouldn't want it to go.
Another thing: a downward-spiral is a pretty common character-arch in storytelling. Your description of Atty's arch is the basic plot to plenty oscar-bait drama flicks, like Five Easy Pieces, The Master or The Wrestler to name a few (I can't think of any center on drug addicts rn). Just because it isn't the standard, generic hero's journey, doesn't mean it's avant garde.
Guest
March 15th, 2019, 1:09 am
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@StumbleReel: Haha, I think maybe you took my drug addict comment a bit too literally...?
Yes, he doesn't mistreat DT anymore, but really, thats about it. And I personally think its because of how hard DT stuck his neck out for Atty, when nobody else in their right mind does. It seems the the burning embers of respect, and may some sense of ownership and pride. Or it could simply just be fear of los1ng that, since odds are he'll struggle to find it again. Compare and contrast to how he treats his pikachu or magikarp, often just casually abandoning them places and forgetting they even exist. His relationship with DT was one pretty much forged out of abuse and neglect and it doesn't help it was a charmander, conjuring images of a small orange lizard dying in the rain.
As for everyone else, there's Bill for example, and the thunder leader, the troubles he caused for the dig TM user, the entire pokemon club he went great lengths to stick it too, Georgie on multiple occasions, the scientist from mount moon, and heck, even team rocket he turned his back on. Granted, he couldn't do much about the scientist, but he didn't show much concern for him and even joined rocket in the process. And then there was the literal time he burned a forest down, killing countless pokemon and putting god knows how many trainers in danger. Walked away from that too.
He's apathetic to the point of sociopathy, and his need to save DT seems to come from a selfish place. I don't think they're friends, but rather him seeing it as him against the world, and DT is the only one who'd stand with him. That said, he still doesn't seem to show much care for DT, simply valuing his independant spirit. His habit of leaving them out of their ball is one symptom of his utter lack of regard for them, especially magikarp who can't move around. He just couldn't give a crap.
Originally I too loved his snark which is why I compared him to dominic deegan's early years.
But of the course of time, its lost its charming edge and just become mean spirited as its become clearer and clearer that the world around him, as zany as it is, is just flawed and human. I think it clicked for me during the bill arc. They're still people, as shallow as some of them are, and Atty is no better than them, simply choosing to remove himself from everything, but otherwise doing nothing with himself.
And "nothing" is at the heart of this issue. He's not on a heroes journey, or really doing much of anything. He has no aspirations or real goals. He wings it day by day, one mattering no less than the next, unable to commit to much of anything and actively taking from others. When it gets to the point that George is the sensible one, you've got issues. She might be annoying and bad at reading the mood, but she's demonstrated a shocking degree of depth and perceptiveness. I wonder if they're all like that to some degree? What story would Beauty have told if Atty stopped to draw her, got to know her?
I guess I feel this way because the comic became too genuine at some point, and I credit the authors skill at writing for it. I do really like this comic, and find it unique in the world of pokemon fanworks. The tone and nature of this world has shifted though, and brought to light what a miserable guy atty is. I don't see the light of a journey with Atty growing. What if he just never gets to that point, and remains the same apathtic guy willing to let others hurt while being entirely self serving? He seems like he's just...not a good person. This moment with George could be a major turning point, but as of now At's got his typical emotional density at work as George fights furiously to make any sense of him. For George to understand, Atty needs to let himself be vulnerable to her. And frankly, he brought the entire situation upon himself by signing a deal with the devil. What happens when he gets DT back? Does nothing change still? It seems forever far away.
StumbleReel (Guest)
March 16th, 2019, 9:27 am
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@Guest: Yeah Atty is not a "good person", that doesn't make him poorly written. He's not a sociopath though, and even if he was, his morals wouldn't necessarily have anything to do with how competently written he is. Relatability is what counts; showing the reasoning the behind his actions and why he's the kind of person he is the important part of an focal character and I think the author H0lyhandgrenade does a good job of that with Atty. If you simply can't tolerant a character who isn't a "good person", than he's just not written to appeal to someone like you.

Your view of Atty and DT's relationship is a tad extreme. They aren't societal outcast, they've had help from people before. Most people don't "stick their neck out" for them because nobody knows them have had a reason to. Although if that's how you feel about them, I don't see how you can't consider them friends with when they have a bond that intimate. You're on point with how he treats his other pokemon, but if him treating them better means we don't see more moments like pikachu's contribution to the battle with the onix, then I don't want that to happen.

I don't really feel sorry for most of the folk Atty has caused trouble for, because they didn't stick around long enough for me to get attach to, I don't even remember who Bill is. Aside from Kahn, George and DT, Atty didn't develop a close enough acquaintance with anyone he met, not close enough to warrant feeling like he burnt-bridges between them.
Also, he couldn't do anything about that forest fire aside from not ordering DT to attack and letting himself and George get stung to death. He didn't deserve getting chewed-out by George for that imho. However I will say it was unnecessary for him to stomp that caterpie to death (Chapter 4, Page 39-43), but it was so hilariously unexpected I forgave him for it.

I don't really know what you're talking about when you said his attitude and snark has gotten more mean-spirited. The first chapter had him kicking a rattata for no reason on page 2, scaring away two rookie trainers by glaring at them when they asked him to battle on page 7 of chapter 2. A few pages after that, he finds another rattata and starts screaming "kill that rat!" over and over again at DT, he hasn't done anything of that sort lately. In fact, he's shown to be a lot less talkative or assertive in general since he first left George. Most of his interactions with others are very one-sided with the conversation being dominated by whoever he's talking to, he's confidante enough to snark but he's a socially awkward kid.
Which is partially why he's been aimlessly going-with-the-flow, but he's still going to the places in Pokemon Red and in order. It's not like the story isn't going anywhere it's still loosely following the plot of the game. Personally, I find his lack of a concrete life goal to define himself by very relatable as I have been like that before and I know people who are still like that. It's also a funny subversion of a pokemon trainer protagonist.

Yeah, he did bring this all on himself by joining team rocket, but being pokemon story centering on a member of Team Rocket is the coolest part of this comic for me and I hope he commit to that, taking over the organization like Scareface.
I'm not sure if H0lyhandgrenade shares my feelings on that in the slightest, but I dunno fingers-crossed

EDIT: I'm really sorry if this has been taking too much of your time.
AngryRobot (Guest)
March 18th, 2019, 3:07 pm
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@StumbleReel: Don't fret, I enjoy a good debate.
Firstly, disregard for the life of and violence towards animals are pretty clear signs of sociopathy.
As with the scientist, it wasn't that he set the forest on fire that strikes me, as his utter apathy about it.
This apathy and disregard for people, suffering, and lives step a bit outside the border of just being an awkward kid. There is something seriously wrong with Atticus. I don't think my characterizations are too extreme.
Actually, while the comic focuses on him in a hero-centric way, I began to consider how he'd appeal to me as a side character, to say George, but taking the exact same actions. He came off as both abusive and pretty abhorrent. And like I said before, DT might be loyal to him, but I don't think Atticus cares about DT as a friend and partner. He clearly doesn't care about DT's "well being." I think he's just worried about what DT can 'do' for him. If that sounds far-fetch'd, then ask yourself this: what will Atty do if he loses DT? What does he have left as far as tools to fight for him? How far will it get him in that world? There's more at stake for him.

Regarding apathy, you commented that you don't care about what happens to characters who aren't around long. While I appreciate that in the meta context of it just being a comic, in terms of being a world, their suffering isn't any less relevant just because you don't know them. You can feel for people who lost a family member or friend to violence even if you don't know them. I find Atticus' acts deplorable all the same.
And I agree that he's not a social outcast. Rather, he's chosen to remove himself from society and relationships with people. Its clear he doesn't value anyone else.
His snark and attitude has not changed, you are correct. Rather, its the world that has changed around him that recontextualizes it. Originally, he was a sullen teen having picked up red and blue for the first time ever and having no idea what was going on. His snark was pointing out the absurdities of the setting, which remained as absurd as they seemed.
But over time, the world has fleshed itself out, and consumed atticus into a narrative where he's no longer an anachonism, but simply a dysfunctional part of the system. He now rails against people who are 'people.' George is no longer an absurd archetype of obnoxious enthusiasm, but a nuanced person who can be hurt and betrayed. Atticus doesn't have the luxury of his actions being without consequence in a hapless and surreal reality. He can and has harmed people and living things, without so much as a moment of consideration about it. And this latest situation only drives home how self centered, apathetic, and egotistical he is about it. In other words, a sociopath.
His actions and reactions are what define him to me, not what he started as, or how the comic frames him.
StumbleReel (Guest)
March 24th, 2019, 8:58 am
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@AngryRobot:
If Atty was a sociopath, he would of stolen plenty of pokemon by now. He wouldn't even be having this conversation with George, he would of just lied to her and left. A sociopath wouldn't have a conversation with the hobo on a dock about the moral dilemma of stealing pokémon(chapter 13 page 23&24). Sociopaths don't waste time on moral dilemmas they just do what they. Nor do they need their victims to be "jerks" in order to justify the morality of their actions to themselves. Atty could've stolen from a bunch of average folk and had a much easier time, but instead targeted a rich jerk and smiled when he realized he was making an undeserved(in his opinion) fortune from his horrible(again: in his opinion) artwork (chapter 13, page 43). It was then he could be a proper member of team rocket without guilt, at least that’s what he thought.

Those examples I gave you weren't to show that he hasn't changed, he has changed you don't see him kicking any rattats anymore. Atty is apathetic at times but not to the extent that you're describing, the guy does get emotional especially toward DT, so if he lost he'd probably cry. An apathetic Atty wouldn't of tried to punch for interruption his apology to DT (chapter 13 page 17&18) or even apologize in the first place. His apathy didn't keep him from returning that TM he was stealing from the old man (chapter 8 page 8&9)

I still think it's a stretch to even say he has "removed himself from society and relationships". He just likes to keep to himself and be left alone, that doesn't mean he isn't open to making relationships, him getting back with George proves that. If you know people who prefers to be by themselves then around others, I assure you it's isn't because they think they're better than you and everyone else. There are a lot of folk who consider dealing with people to an exhausting task, they're called introverts and while they can be jerks like anybody else, their subdued behavior is not an indication of that.
I don't see how one can removed himself from society without being a societal outcast, the very definition of the word is: one who has been casted out from society. Unless your talking about him not having settled down and gotten a (legal) job, then I agree. However, neither has George or most of the trainers.

After re-reading this comic realized I didn't remember Bill because he's not even in it. You were confusing him with Abel, he works in Bill's lab. Atty stole an evee from Abel, as a result of this; he's attacked by the thunder gym leader (cuz she thought Abel gave it away). They forgave him when he admitted to stealing it, Abel didn't even mean to call the police on Atty cuz he suspected that George to have flippantly stolen the evee just like she did with the ticket.
The only other characters who were around Atty when unfortunate things happened to them was an old man, a bug pokemon trainer, jace, a mining rock pokemon trainer, and the water gym leader. All whom were either annoying or rude to him, each their comedic comeuppance wasn't really that bad. Well.. That miner seems to died from the clifairy, but he almost killed Atty with his geodude so imho: fuck him.

Personally, I find George to be far more inconsiderate than Atty. It's never not-funny when she is, I would want to hang out with someone who has no regard for people's privacy, yet is self-righteously judgmental of others. Atty acknowledges his mistakes often criticizes himself for them while George seems willfully ignorant of her flaws.

EDIT: Actually there is a time when George's tomfoolery wasn't very funny for me: when yanked Atty's sketchbook while he was drawing. Folks who do what deserve to have their teeth kicked-in. Other than that, she's hilarious!
Kalietha (Guest)
March 12th, 2019, 12:01 am
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That second panel...it sounds to me like he's still trying to convince himself of that.
Dedalo-el-Hispano
March 12th, 2019, 4:54 am
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Hmmm... In a way, I feel like Atty is putting into words what we, as readers, think.
I mean, I am sure that I am not the only one who didn't care about those people being robbed. All we care about now is rescuing DT. These people? They are jerks, secondary characters... no worth of pity.
Which morally makes me think...
Josh Spicer (Guest)
March 12th, 2019, 7:13 am
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People who only see their Pokemon as trophies, a prize to be shared with their "friends" and goad over them.

Like yeah I get it, they don't deserve their Pokemon stolen. But given the situation we as readers are in, I really REALLY would've liked this to end with him getting away. Change it up from the usual and have George not be a deciding factor. Or at least have the confrontation come when they meet up later on.
Deus Ex Machina (Guest)
March 12th, 2019, 6:26 pm
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Honestly though, the simplest solution is that George convinces him to use the Pokemon that she has stored in her PC as she never uses them. That would allow him to do the commissions, get TR off his ass, and would probably lead to Atty assaulting the TR base after they refuse to give DT back because all of George's pokemon are fresh-from-the-wild crap.
Danny (Guest)
March 13th, 2019, 2:10 pm
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Finally getting around to the point Atty
Vai
March 13th, 2019, 4:43 pm
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Just read the whole thing from the start to now. You are a mean, cruel person that is far too good at drawing sad, beaten, miserable-looking pokemon.

Can't wait 'till next week!
Bealoreas
March 14th, 2019, 11:14 am
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Tell her! Tell her you did it to save DragonThing!
Guest
March 14th, 2019, 11:33 am
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People criticize because they care, @H0lyhandgernade .They are very invested in your characters and want the very best for them. I think this is a pretty cool and interesting fanbase you have created
zetina
March 14th, 2019, 7:42 pm
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I think this is the first time I've seen you say you had a good time when doing digital inking...
Guest
March 14th, 2019, 9:19 pm
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T~T
Lux_Deos (Guest)
March 15th, 2019, 8:19 pm
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True anger in thise eyes
Aroven (Guest)
March 18th, 2019, 11:23 am
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Full page spread Perfect chapter end cliffhanger: Atty's face as he asks George where she thinks DT has been.